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Scientific confirmation of history

PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:01 am
by Amanda
Hi Everyone,

If you've seen the documentary "Tierra Gitana" (available on DVD with an early concert as a bonus feature), you may remember Canut saying that they always thought the Gipsies' country of origin was India, because when they see people from India, they think they look just like them.

This has long been acknowledged historically, but now it has been confirmed through DNA analysis. I just read this brief item in the March/April 2013 issue of ARCHAEOLOGY magazine: "The Romani...are Europe's largest minority group, with 11 million members. They speak a variety of languages and have a range of customs, but share a common genetic heritage. A study of the DNA of 13 Romani groups from across the continent confirms what was suspected from linguistic analysis -- that all the Romani hail from northwestern India, and migrated out approximately 1,500 years ago."

Amanda :geek:

Re: Scientific confirmation of history

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:31 pm
by DRose
Hello Amanda and Greetings to all Gipsy King fans!
Nice post. Interesting that Canut feels some kind of Indian kinship.
Would be interesting to see the Reyes' 'Family Tree' :)
I keep checking in to see what cities they'll be coming to on their U.S. tour this spring/summer.
One thing I would wish is if more fans would post remarks about their concerts like they use to in years past;
always nice to hear what people think.
Take care everyone!

Re: Scientific confirmation of history

PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:25 pm
by Amanda
Thanks, DRose. I'm also starting to check the tour schedule often, since they have added more concerts recently!

Amanda :geek:

Re: Scientific confirmation of history

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:12 pm
by Jusquin
Another confirmation of sorts is that linguists have found many similarities between the Caló language and Sanskrit, and between Caló and the northern Indian Punjabi language. In fact, Caló (and Calé, which means "gypsy") stems from the Sanskrit root kāl- meaning "black" or "dark." It is also interesting that one of the Reyes brothers is named Patchaï. It may be a version of the Hindu name Pachai which means "youthful" or "resourceful."

Re: Scientific confirmation of history

PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:42 pm
by Amanda
Hi Jusquin,

Thanks, that is fascinating information about the languages. I'd read about the connection with Sanskrit, but not the connection between specific words. I'll bet the two names Patchai and Pachai are related.

Amanda :geek:

Re: Scientific confirmation of history

PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:59 pm
by Jusquin
Hi, Amanda,

There is also a religious tie-in of sorts between the Indian goddess Kali and St. Sarah, who is sometimes referred to as Sara-la-Kali (Sara the Black; in Romani: Sara e Kali).

Jusquin

Re: Scientific confirmation of history

PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:02 pm
by Amanda
Hi Jusquin,

Thanks for the information! When you mentioned the Sanskrit root word kal- I connected that with the Indian goddess Kali, who is black, but I didn't know about the connection with St. Sarah.

I don't know if there's a connection, but it is interesting that there are over 400 images of the Virgin Mary in Europe that are Black Madonnas, dating from Medieval times.

Amanda :geek:

Re: Scientific confirmation of history

PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:25 pm
by Jusquin
I would guess that there probably is some kind of connection.

A man by the name of Ronald Lee, who has studied the Romani culture, has written that his research among Romani from the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland and the Balkans indicates that Black Madonnas are worshipped by Roma in central/eastern Europe and that Roma from these countries perform similar rituals to those at Stes. Maries-de-la-Mer (which are similar to those performed in India to honor the goddess Kali).

When I lived on the east coast, I visited the National Shrine of Our Lady of Częstochowa in Doylestown, PA, where there is an icon of the Black Madonna of Częstochowa, Poland.

Re: Scientific confirmation of history

PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:02 pm
by Amanda
Hi Jusquin,

Thanks for the information! So it's possible that the Black Madonnas originated with the Romani. Our Lady of Częstochowa is probably the most famous of the Black Madonnas in Europe. I also didn't know that the rituals in Stes. Maries-de-la-Mer were similar to the rituals performed for the goddess Kali in India.

P.S. I just looked up Ronald Lee. He's a Romani Canadian. For more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Lee

His website:
http://kopachi.com/index.html

Article about this topic (which I plan to read ASAP – there are many other articles too)
http://kopachi.com/articles/category/topics/kali-sara/

Amanda :geek:

Re: Scientific confirmation of history

PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:37 pm
by Jusquin
Hi, Amanda,

Thanks for posting the links. I was going to post the one to the website this evening, but you beat me to it! Some of these articles are really fascinating reading.

Jusquin